We Want A REAL Ms. Marvel #25!

Everyone knows about the infamous Avengers #200, which featured the “rape” of Carol Danvers, aka Ms. Marvel.


This was “avenged“, in part, by Chris Claremont, in Avengers Annual #10, featuring the X-Men and The Brotherhod of Evil Mutants, led by Mystique. I should also make the link available to Carol Strickland’s article, which was a strong impetus for the annual’s story.


However, I believe that the whole thing went off the rails by the premature cancellation of Ms. Marvel’s book, in which the attack on Carol by Rogue was to have been presented. I made a comment recently at SuperMegaMonkey asserting this opinion:

I’d like to petition Marvel to do Carol Danvers justice and make a true, complete Ms. Marvel #25. This, I believe, is part of what necessitated Avengers Annual #10, as well as the treatment afforded Carol in Avengers #200.

Even Omega The Unknown got a better sendoff.

I actually have the last published issue of Ms. Marvel – it was #23, featuring the original Captain Marvel. The next issue was to feature Sabretooth, with #25 to have Mystique siccing Rogue on Carol in answer to a dire premonition from Destiny. The two stories were published in an anthology book called Marvel Super Heroes, the issues in question being #s 10 and 11.

Ms. Marvel #24 was reprinted in its entirety; however, #25 had not been completed, and so, the story begun by Claremont was completed by Simon Furman, who appparently did not receive the ending of Claremont’s plot. Go back to Avengers Annual #10 – it shows Spider-Woman rescuing Carol from the waters under the Golden Gate Bridge. If it went anything like what we saw in MSH #11, what we should have seen was this (courtesy of Bob Layton):


However, that’s not what we saw.

I don’t consider what I’m about to posit as fanfic; rather, it’s a clarification of what we should have seen:

The battle happened upon a bridge, so I can safely assume that there was traffic on said bridge. I would have written that Rogue had lifted a vehicle over her head, and Carol tackled her before she could launch the vehicle at her, but in doing so, they both became pinned under the vehicle, with Rogue making skin-to-skin contact with Carol. We have seen Rogue make contact with others for an extended period of time, and yet not to the extent of absorbing the totality of the others’ psyche. At this point, Carol didn’t have leverage, but Rogue did, once possessing Carol’s Ms. Marvel powers. Utterly confused at the situation, Rogue throws Carol’s body off of the bridge, and now we have Avengers Annual #10.

This has bugged me for quite a while, but now that I have been able to put it into words, I wanted to share that with you all, fellow sequential art fans.

Just for fun, let me throw in a B&W page of Avengers Annual #10:


Man, that Michael Golden can draw, huh?

Let me say that I am actually enjoying the Secret Wars books.

Part of the problem creators began to face with comics is the issue with TIME.

It begins to strain credulity that we still consider Peter Parker to be in his mid-30s when he was introduced in 1963. Remember Civil War? Chapter One? All of these books attempted, in one way or another, to deal with the sliding scale, which must be hell to adhere to in the big scheme of things.

The new books take care of that. The creators are now free, at least for the present time, to tell stories however they wish. I absolutely love the MOKF setup. It’s like when I was a kid, waiting for the movies to come on at 3:00 on Saturday afternoon, knowing that not more than 5 minutes after 5:00, there would be every kid outside practicing their new crane kick, or monkey paw strike, along with their badly-mouthed platitudes.

Seeing Garth Ennis back with Russell Braun? It’s almost like having Butcher back.

Thors as sheriffs? Crazy.

The Cabal still present? You know no good will come of this.

I’m expecting further good stuff from you guys.


About Vin the Comics Guy

My Name is Vin, and I have a personal collection of over 17,000 comic books. My earliest book is a copy of Garrison’s Gorrilas, from 1939.
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